Yes, you are right, but it could still be a good starting point.
Because there are a lot of talks and it would be great to be able to
translate them all, but I also think it is difficult to create several
translation groups for each talk.
And where you manage to get a translator, the slides in English would
be a good helper and would relieve it.
On sab, lug 23 2022 at 15:58:58 +0200, Agnese <agnese@???>
wrote:
>
> Il 23/07/22 14:07, kron via Hackmeeting ha scritto:
>> In my opinion it's a bit complex.
>> Couldn't it be easier to try to do all the slides in English?
>
> Not all the talks have slides and a lot more is usually told than
> what is written on a slide.
>
>
>> So that the speaker can proceed normally and those who do not know
>> Italian can still follow through the slides.
>>
>> On sab, lug 23 2022 at 12:43:47 +0200, karlessi <karlessi@???
>> <mailto:karlessi@alekos.net>> wrote:
>>> ciao
>>>
>>> I plan to be in Torino for the HM days, I can translate from/to
>>> IT-FR-EN-ES (good into Italian from all, good into french;
>>> understandable with some effort into EN-ES)
>>>
>>> I'm available also to help with the Programma translation
>>>
>>> In my experience, for a workshop/talk given into e.g. Italian, for
>>> non-Italian speaker, the easiest choice is to set up a group in
>>> which the translator listen to the speaker and report to the
>>> "aside" group. Subgroups can be setup for any language, e.g.
>>> IT>FR etc. An effective consecutive translation, not
>>> simultaneous, implies that the speaker is aware and leave the
>>> room for translations - timing, expression as clear as possible,
>>> less recourse to irony/sarcasm or at least underlining it,
>>> limited use of idioms that are more difficult to translate, etc.
>>>
>>> on top of that, and maybe even preferably, sometimes works also the
>>> graphic thing, I mean, to have someone translating (visualising)
>>> into graphic and/or written words the talk/workshop. Writing
>>> board (old posters, etc.) with markers are needed - to be placed
>>> in a visible manner to all
>>>
>>> BTW this could also help in improving inclusiveness. Sometimes
>>> spoken words are overrated.
>>>
>>> ciao
>>>
>>> k.
>>>
>>>
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>>>> 1. Re: [TRANSLATION] Are translations from the talks/workshops
>>>> expected? (boyska)
>>>> 2. Re: [TRANSLATION] Help translating 'Programma' (boyska)
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>>>> From: boyska <piuttosto@???
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>>>> igor absorto:
>>>>> Ciao,
>>>>
>>>> ciao!
>>>>
>>>>> absorto here, I'm planning to participate in the hackmeeting this
>>>>> year in
>>>>> Torino. However I don't speak italian, although I can understand
>>>>> a bit
>>>>> since I speak portuguese. Are there plans to provide translations
>>>>> during
>>>>> the talks and workshops?
>>>>
>>>> Good question! I'll answer giving some historical context. I'm
>>>> horrible
>>>> with dates, so I hope I'm not making too many errors!
>>>> I also never was so much involved with that, so please, whoever
>>>> has more
>>>> details, please correct me.
>>>>
>>>> - non-italian-speaking people used to be quite few until, let's
>>>> say,
>>>> 2013. of course this was a vicious circle.
>>>> - there was quite some attention paid to making hackmeeting more
>>>> accessible to non-italian-speaking people from ~2016.
>>>> It never was a professional setup, but I remember it always
>>>> improving
>>>> and becoming more "obvious" in the organization of
>>>> hackmeeting.
>>>> - 2020 disrupted this. we need to start back!
>>>>
>>>> That was my understanding of the setup:
>>>>
>>>> - people that don't understand italian very well (or at all) are
>>>> invited to say so, so that other people can support them
>>>>
>>>> - everyone is invited to volunteer as a translator and clearly
>>>> say so
>>>> to people that will most likely benefit from that
>>>>
>>>> - periodically (daily assemblies, lunch time, etc.) people
>>>> coordinate
>>>> about that. "I want to follow talk foo, could you translate
>>>> that to me?" or "Hey, I can speak English and Italian and I
>>>> want to
>>>> follow the foobar talk, anyone needs translation?"
>>>>
>>>> It's clearly not perfect but at least most of the people can
>>>> follow most
>>>> of the talks, at least in the most common languages in this part
>>>> of the
>>>> world.
>>>>
>>>> We never created or used any "tool" (headphones, radio,
>>>> microphones, or
>>>> anything else) to do translations: the number of people per
>>>> language
>>>> per talk was not high enough to justify that.
>>>>
>>>> see you in Turin!
>>>>
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