In my opinion it's a bit complex.
Couldn't it be easier to try to do all the slides in English?
So that the speaker can proceed normally and those who do not know
Italian can still follow through the slides.
On sab, lug 23 2022 at 12:43:47 +0200, karlessi <karlessi@???>
wrote:
> ciao
>
> I plan to be in Torino for the HM days, I can translate from/to
> IT-FR-EN-ES (good into Italian from all, good into french;
> understandable with some effort into EN-ES)
>
> I'm available also to help with the Programma translation
>
> In my experience, for a workshop/talk given into e.g. Italian, for
> non-Italian speaker, the easiest choice is to set up a group in which
> the translator listen to the speaker and report to the "aside" group.
> Subgroups can be setup for any language, e.g. IT>FR etc. An effective
> consecutive translation, not simultaneous, implies that the speaker
> is aware and leave the room for translations - timing, expression as
> clear as possible, less recourse to irony/sarcasm or at least
> underlining it, limited use of idioms that are more difficult to
> translate, etc.
>
> on top of that, and maybe even preferably, sometimes works also the
> graphic thing, I mean, to have someone translating (visualising) into
> graphic and/or written words the talk/workshop. Writing board (old
> posters, etc.) with markers are needed - to be placed in a visible
> manner to all
>
> BTW this could also help in improving inclusiveness. Sometimes spoken
> words are overrated.
>
> ciao
>
> k.
>
>
> Il 23/07/22 00:49, hackmeeting-request@???
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>> igor absorto:
>>> Ciao,
>>
>> ciao!
>>
>>> absorto here, I'm planning to participate in the hackmeeting this
>>> year in
>>> Torino. However I don't speak italian, although I can understand a
>>> bit
>>> since I speak portuguese. Are there plans to provide translations
>>> during
>>> the talks and workshops?
>>
>> Good question! I'll answer giving some historical context. I'm
>> horrible
>> with dates, so I hope I'm not making too many errors!
>> I also never was so much involved with that, so please, whoever has
>> more
>> details, please correct me.
>>
>> - non-italian-speaking people used to be quite few until, let's
>> say,
>> 2013. of course this was a vicious circle.
>> - there was quite some attention paid to making hackmeeting more
>> accessible to non-italian-speaking people from ~2016.
>> It never was a professional setup, but I remember it always
>> improving
>> and becoming more "obvious" in the organization of hackmeeting.
>> - 2020 disrupted this. we need to start back!
>>
>> That was my understanding of the setup:
>>
>> - people that don't understand italian very well (or at all) are
>> invited to say so, so that other people can support them
>>
>> - everyone is invited to volunteer as a translator and clearly
>> say so
>> to people that will most likely benefit from that
>>
>> - periodically (daily assemblies, lunch time, etc.) people
>> coordinate
>> about that. "I want to follow talk foo, could you translate
>> that to me?" or "Hey, I can speak English and Italian and I
>> want to
>> follow the foobar talk, anyone needs translation?"
>>
>> It's clearly not perfect but at least most of the people can follow
>> most
>> of the talks, at least in the most common languages in this part of
>> the
>> world.
>>
>> We never created or used any "tool" (headphones, radio, microphones,
>> or
>> anything else) to do translations: the number of people per language
>> per talk was not high enough to justify that.
>>
>> see you in Turin!
>>
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