On 19/07/21 12:03, ignifugo wrote:
>
>
> On 19/07/21 08:15, intrigeri wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> syster via Tails-dev (2021-07-17):
>>> The server that Tails is using for its official chat room, might become an entrance to xmpp for Tails user.
>>> Choosing a server that gives new user a pleasant experience should be preferred over a server that does not.
>> Personally, I would prefer not to dedicate any effort into this sort
>> of XMPP outreach, because:
>>
>> - I see the move we're going to make later this month as a temporary
>> stop-gap measure, rather than as a long term endorsement of XMPP.
>> There are chances we migrate away from XMPP entirely in the
>> not-too-distant future.
>>
>> - I don't believe the XMPP ecosystem is good enough for our users
>> that we should spend time encouraging them to use it more.
>> Quite the opposite, actually.
>>
>> - We're talking about very, very few people here (Tails users who
>> try, and manage to connect to our users mutual support chat room)
>> ⇒ whatever we choose here, the impact is almost negligibl
>
> I don't like hear that to an accurate question, with an accurate
> aswer... the second round of answer looks like to me: <<... AH.. But
> doesn't matter..we have other plan>> I understand that Intrigeri
> doesn't want put effor in this, but I keep the problem lifted up by
> Syster. And I feel sorry hear this answer.. And I don't know which are
> the plan after.. "replace xmpp with?".. lets go... with Discourse? is
> ok for me... but are missing informations..important to understand and
> seems a bit discredit the answer of Syster. If the opinion shared is..
> better close XMPP channel to another tool, ok.. maybe is better that
> we explored..
>
> For me is better close, than started a relationship not clear, or take
> the time to evaluate relationships, and move in our mapped
> relationships yet affirmed.
>
> Start a collaboration and trusted other projects is a serious act and
> need time and effor, also revert this. And be really really explicit
> on what we think that this collaboration is..like.. We will use
> public/not public your service for 6 months. Stop. We will do a
> donation of xxx.money. thanks.
>
> I have also dubts about esiliati.org, I'm not sure that is more than a
> person, I used some of their tools, but I used safely only the
> stateless service.
>
> They have not explicit policy, not founding plan, not decision making,
> not comunication channel with the users. for what I know... maybe
> someone can say that I'm wrong... please.
>
> So I use this meter to choose a service:
>
> https://en.gendersec.train.tacticaltech.org/downloads/en/autonomous_server_material_hosting_provider_features.pdf
>
> And I have not satisfied a lot of this qualities.
>
> I would like propose to move on:
>
> 1) https://www.systemli.org/en/service/xmpp/ -
> https://jabber.systemli.org/
> (https://compliance.conversations.im/server/jabber.systemli.org/)
>
> if is possible, so more robust entities.
>
> I don't know if is possible use jabber.ccc.de and who of them run that
> service. That service was stopped by german goverment in the 2015 and
> after restarted, so probably are well skilled and prepared, and I use
> yearly the chat of the congress
>
> 2) https://compliance.conversations.im/server/jabber.ccc.de/
>
> or 3) https://calyxinstitute.org/projects/digital-services/xmpp that
> are patner of Riseup for the vpn. but the quality of the service is this
>
> https://compliance.conversations.im/server/jabber.calyxinstitute.org/
>
> Other choose could be autistici.org that is running a xmpp service,
> but they not keep history, so became difficult to use for us, and I
> exclude them... https://compliance.conversations.im/server/autistici.org/.
>
> other entityes that we trust or that more than a person of us know
> that we can evaluate?
>
I forget:
https://disroot.org/it/services/xmpp
> hugs ignifugo
>
>
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