On 2021-01-20 18:14, sajolida wrote:
> syster via Tails-dev:
> > I'm in a position, where I have at one point time to be committed to offer support to Tails, and then from one moment to the other it can change being offline for months.
> >
> > Being the contact person will fail sooner or later.
> >
> > where help by core is needed:
> >
> > contact Person:
> > Being the contact person the collectives/company can reach out if they need to.
> > This should happen rarely. An email list for this would be good. I can respond when I have time, and others when I don't.
> >
> > Agreements:
> > I can be the person to collect/document potential agreements. Final say needs to have core.
> >
> > tax:
> > Uniformed opinion: Maybe you need to send the collective(s) some paper.
> >
> > temporal final decision on process:
> > At one point there needs to be made a decision about the exact process that I'm going to propose. So it will require some time by core to think through the proposal, have a discussion and form a decision.
>
> Thanks syster for moving this discussion forward!
>
> On top of what intrigeri said regarding your approach to minimize the
> work by Tails workers, I also appreciate that you're putting social and
> political values in the mix :)
>
> For the record, we've already discussed similar things in the past:
>
> - Way back in the days, some core developers were reluctant to Tails
> selling merch because of the social and environmental aspects. I think
> that we moved a bit past these concerns (though I didn't check). For
> example, we've been promising and shipping T-shirts to big donors and
> sponsors:
>
> https://tails.boum.org/sponsors/become/
>
> - Some years ago, we discussed joining forces with Riseup to have
> procurement services (sorry for the jargon!) in both the US and Europe
> operated by grassroots collectives. This didn't go anywhere.
>
> - Last year I think, Tor started outsourcing their merch handling to a
> procurement service. I don't know which one or how they choose it.
> We should ask them.
>
> - In October 2020, the topic was raised again on tails-project@:
>
> https://lists.autistici.org/message/20201025.192502.b9550ab7.en.html
>
> I'm still interested in the topic because:
>
> - We're currently spending time and money on shipping T-shirts to
> sponsors and we haven't been very good at it: some sponsors have been
> waiting for their T-shirts for 1 year because of the logistics problem
> induced by someone leaving the collective combined with Covid.
> We might have been able to avoid these problems if we had a
> procurement service doing this for us.
>
> For example, an MVP could be to have a procurement service to improve
> our relationship with sponsors. And then expand on this.
>
> - The money that we could make through merch is "unrestricted funds"
> (jargon again): a steady stream of income that we could use for
> whatever we need and brings more financial sustainability.
>
> - Outreach. I think that Tails is pretty bad at outreach and I would
> value positively every step in this direction.
>
> I think that the first step that pretty much anybody, like you system
> could really help with is to brainstorm possible options and evaluate them.
>
> Here are the criteria that have been mentioned already or that I could
> think of:
>
> - As little work as possible for Tails workers. That's the core idea of
> such procurement services.
>
> - Worldwide shipping. Only with our few sponsors, we've had to ship
> T-shirts to the US, Russia, Australia, Sri Lanka, and Germany!
>
> - Social and environmental values, as syster rightfully stated. For
> example, the T-shirts that we have right now were made in Turkey, with
> a pretty good quality (quality is also environmental sustainability),
> organic materials, and fair labor.
>
> - Political affinity. I would rather work with people that the project
> could align with politically than with whatever organic business.
>
> - Web ordering tools. To move from sending T-shirts to a few sponsors
> to automating orders from a website. Could we forward people from our
> website to the online store of the procurement service without having
> to do complex integration on our website.
>
> Our own payment facilities are also weird and limited because we rely
> on fiscal sponsors without a direct access to our bank accounts. Could
> the procurement service handle all the money and only forward the
> benefits to our fiscal sponsors? Otherwise, how would we interface our
> donation mechanism with the procurement service? For example, how do
> we go from a bitcoin donation to our own address to a actual shipping?
>
> - Cost. If we're selling merch to the general public, we should make
> sure to still make enough money for the project to be worth it. When
> dealing with T-shirts, for example, it might not be obvious or end up
> in pretty expensive T-shirts. I think that the project is fine with
> that: in the past we would only "give away" T-shirts to people who
> "donated" 50€ or more during events like the CCC (Chaos Computer
> Congress).
>
> - Items production and diversity. Does the procurement service also
> handle designing and producing the merch or do we have to do this
> ourselves? What kind of items can they produce themselves, eg. USB
> sticks or condoms (Tails is the condom of the cyberspace!).
>
> Anything else?
>
> I created an issue on GitLab to track this research:
>
> https://gitlab.tails.boum.org/tails/tails/-/issues/18141
>
> Our Fundraising team is seriously understaffed so I won't put energy
> into doing this research myself but it would be great if syster and
> others start gathering info on the GitLab issue. I also don't see us
> doing this any time soon, so bare in mind that this research might not
> be put to use before years. But we also want reliable procurement
> services on the long-term so our slow pace shouldn't matter so much :)
>
> --
> sajolida
> Tails — https://tails.boum.org/
> UX · Fundraising · Technical Writing
>
Hi from Germany!
i read this and i would suggest doing a coop with digitalcourage.de/en <
http://digitalcourage.de/en> a politically aligned organisation i would say.
i would love being able to buy some tails stickers (ideally different sizes, e.g. small ones with the logo to put them on USB sticks) from their web shop (or from somewhere else), with the revenues going to tails!
thanks!
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