On 08/01/21 07:56, Austin English wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 2:41 AM intrigeri <intrigeri@???> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> (dropping my facilitator hat for this message)
>>
>> intrigeri (2021-01-03):
>>> So, my question is:
>>>
>>> What would we lose if we did not have any public chat room?
>>> In other words:
>>>
>>> What new problems would we face if we did not have any public
>>> chat room?
>> I think we would lose:
>>
>> - some of our soul and identity, i.e. "we work in the open"
>>
>> - a place where friendly bystanders can lurk and follow our work:
>> FOSS developers, users, etc.
>>
>> - a little bit of the efforts we've put into dismantling the
>> long-standing myth that Tails is produced by some sort of secret,
>> unapproachable group of anonymous people
>>
>> - a place where existing contributors who don't have access to our private
>> communication channels can get a feeling of belonging, by hanging
>> out with the rest of us
>>
>> - a place where we can meet new contributors, get to know each other,
>> collaborate and build trust until the project is comfortable with
>> giving them more privileges
>>
>> Practically speaking, my main concern is that the implied subtle
>> cultural shift and newly closed doors would make the boundary between
>> in-group folks and kind-of-outsiders even harder to cross.
>>
>> This would make it a bit harder to go from "volunteer contributor" to
>> "paid worker" (such transitions are rare in our recent past, but there
>> are a few noticeable ones if we look further back in time), or from
>> "unprivileged contributor" to "full-blown project member".
>>
>> Finally, note that we already lost quite some of this when we moved
>> from IRC @ OFTC (where lots of FOSS contributors hang out already) to
>> XMPP (which for many people would require extra setup work). IMO the
>> status quo, in all these respects, is not great.
>
> FWIW, as a former/lapsed volunteer developer (and still active FOSS
> developer), I appreciated having a public chat that I could drop in to
> ask questions of the devs.
>
> I would've greatly preferred an IRC option, since I more generally use
> that. I only set up XMPP to chat with tails developers when I needed
> it, but it was useful when I did use it.
>
> If possible, I'd love to see a public chat option preserved for
> precisely the reasons intrigeri mentioned.
>
> In any event, keep up the great work! Hopefully I'll find some time to
> contribute again this year :).
> --
> -Austin
> GPG: 267B CC1F 053F 0749 (expires 2021/02/18)
really shortly,
I find also usefull xmpp chat for contact quick of tails devs, and
because I like more than others 1000 newer instant messaging solutions. hugs
ignifugo
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