Hi!
On 26.11.19 12:42, sajolida wrote:
> u:
>> On 25.11.19 18:26, sajolida wrote:
>>>> - under our mentoring in 2011 → "with our mentoring"
>>>
>>> I think that "under our mentoring" is more correct:
>>>
>>> https://ludwig.guru/s/under+the+mentoring
>>> https://ludwig.guru/s/with+the+mentoring
>>
>> They have both the same amount of matches, no?
>>
>> I like "with" because it makes it clear that it's also a collaboration,
>> and it sounds less patronizing.
>
> I didn't meant to point to the number of matches but at how each of
> these prepositions are used in these expressions. The matches with
> "with" are not, strictly speaking, used to expressed who is the mentor
> while the matches with "under" clearly are.
>
> Anyway, I changed it to "with our help in 2011". If the problem is that
> you find the current phrasing patronizing, then we should probably get
> rid of the idea of mentoring in itself.
Mentoring in itself is not patronizing, but the way it was phrased to me
sounded like it.
>>>> - freedom fighters → I have a bit of an issue with this term.
>>>
>>> I copied it from /contribute/mission where I thought that people would
>>> have more problems with "human-rights defenders". I'm personally fine
>>> with both.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistance_movement#Freedom_fighter says
>> "Generally speaking, freedom fighters are people who use physical force
>> to cause a change in the political and or social order. [...] a person
>> who is campaigning for freedom through peaceful means may still be
>> classed as a freedom fighter, though in common usage they are called
>> political activists [...]".
>>
>> I also relate the word to people calling themselves freedom fighter but
>> actually being part of (proto) fascistic militias of all possible sorts.
>>
>> Interesting that this word did not disturb me when you presented the
>> mission.
>>
>> I see myself better represented in "human-rights defender" or
>> "political activist".
>
> I escalated your concern to propose a patch to "Mission and values".
> See my other email on this same list.
That is super cool, thanks!
> Meanwhile, I changed it to "human-rights defenders" in this blog post as
> we might not reach an agreement in time and we already use "human-rights
> defenders" on /donate which has roughly the same audience.
Great :)
cheers,
u.
